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Cacarot60
05-22-2002, 07:44 AM
Well it’ been almost a week since I first listened to First Degree the DE’s newest album … BIG BLACK BAT. And I must say … I don’t understand how anyone could NOT enjoy this album. Ok, ok … maybe I can understand, it is pretty abstract and out there. But what I can’t understand is how any prior DE listener that enjoyed his other work could NOT enjoy this album. Sure it’s not Planet Zero, nor is it Damn That DE … it’s definitely not Southbound and it has far few guest features to be FU. Nope, it’s not any of these. It’s not even close. It's FAR superior to ANY of those.

Every DE album I have ever listened to I had to really sit myself down and listen to it. Not just hear it … but really listen to it. The beats, the bells and whistles, the hooks, the mumbling in the back, the lyrics, the little sounds 90% of people couldn’t pick out. I mean everything. Planet Zero was the first DE album I ever purchased. I purchased it before I was even a real member of this board. And the only reason I truly purchased it was to hear Lynch’s verse on it because I was a huge Lynch fan and I liked DE’s verse’s on Loaded. The first day I had the album I nearly took the album back to the music store and pawned it back to them and say “No wonder you only have one copy”. But I forced myself to listen to it for a week before I threw it into the NON-Listening section. After a couple days it grew on me. After a week it was becoming one of my favorite albums. After a month it was my favorite current album. After 3 months it was my favorite album of all time.

And so became my introduction to First Degree the DE. And every album of his after that has been the same. With FU, a download of “Based On I’m Rilla” I DL'd from this very sight got me to purchase the album and after a month of listening, it became my favorite comp of all time. Then when Damn that DE came out … I was amazed at the progression of the beats and lyrics. But songs like “Bad Biddi” I thought I would never enjoy. Even “There that Man” (one of my favorites) I was skeptical about for the first week or so. It took me at least a week of listening before I could fully enjoy the whole album and a month before I could really love every song. I don’t think I really got a true appreciation for Bad Biddi until I was able to be in the video for it in my trip to Chico and was sitting in a circle of my homies from the board while DE moved around in the middle of the circle singing the song.

With that said, I totally expected the same thing from this album. Lynch was perfect for the intro … and I don’t think DE could have chosen a better song than “Watchin’ my life go” as the first song to start it off. It pulls you into the album right from the jump. But after that first song began my journey for “the song”. The one song on every DE album I can’t enjoy right from the first listening. The one song that I have to skip after a couple minutes to get to the next song I haven’t heard yet that could be my new all time favorite. So came Crackufuction, then Jabberwocky … and so on and so on. Song after song I waited for my head to stop bobbing and my finger to move towards the fast forward button on my CD player. Song 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 9, haha … Until FINALLY track 14 hit my player and I was in even more shock. While I had repeated a few songs … not a single song had I skipped or fast forwarded for even a second. And now with almost a week I still find myself enjoying every single song, every lyric, every beat.

DTDE was much more well rounded than Planet Zero. I could understand how some could not feel it after listening to Planet Zero for so long. It was much deeper, much more varied. It took a much greater open mind to except it. But I think it really prepared people for this album. I can not possibly understand how anyone who liked DTDE could not love this album.

Planet Zero introduced us to the planet and explained what Planet Zero was. Damn that DE introduced us to the man who lived on the planet and told us a little more about him. “There that man” he told us. But Big Black Bat swoops your ass up and drops you right in the middle of the planet, right next to the man who has created this “New World”. the lyrics and beats are unparalleled. They flow together like none of his other albums before this. DTDE was tremendous but I always said it lacks that Classic feel Planet Zero had, thus unable to surpass completely in greatness. But BBB surpasses them all. Not only do the beats and lyrics come together like no other album before this … it comes together in another very important area when making an album. I don’t think the songs could have been positioned any better than they were. With Damn That DE I always felt some songs were out of place. That maybe certain songs should be found at different locations throughout the CD. With this album every song leads into the next perfectly. And most of all, it's a TRUE! SOLO ALBUM. Aside from Lynch talking in a couple of inserts, a lady singing "What's crackufuction", and a tight rapper rapping a little snippet at the end of Unforgiven ... there is not a single soul aside from DE and his alter egos telling his story. I can not express how much this meant to me. I thought solo albums were dead! Music is called an art form by many, but in this day and age not many will argue with you that it’s not just for the money and fame. But this album is so refreshing when you truly listen to it. It really expresses Mr. Michael’s vision. It takes you to the world of his alter egos Mr. The DE, Robo DE, and Blackulem. It paints a picture of this “New World” like a good book or poem. Sure it has it’s clichés too with the talk of weed smoking and sex … but in a whole new light. In a way only the DE can explain. It’s not about “Smoking “blunts” and “fucking bitches” … it’s about having a “hot baf and a minty one” with the girly who “…wants his mighty staff”, who “ … wants to share his bath”.

“Homie niggas on the corner say wut up to DE. But one in the bunch, him do not want to see me. He say, “DE you’ll never go plat’ you too abstract!” I own the lable so I can deal with that.”

Whether you like the DE or not … you have to give the man credit. No matter how much talent you have or don’t have … sometimes people will understand you and sometimes they just won’t. In a day and age where cats rap and people sing just for the money and fame, DE seems to truly keep real to himself. In doing so he provides a much needed breathe of fresh air to people like myself who just can‘t stomach all that “normal“ shit you hear on the radio. So I just want to say, “Thanks Mr. The DE” and “Much Luv”

Cac tha 6-0 aka Bryan

ParadineRecords
05-22-2002, 08:44 AM
"got my homie actin like a gurlie, sprung and in love"
lol

naw but i feel the same way mostly about all that, i'll forever tell the story of how i learned of one first degree the d.e. thousands of miles high on a plane to vegas, off numerous percocets and knockin back jd and coke's the whole way, after twenty minutes on the plane, my boy tells me to "jus listen to this Aint on My Agenda song, you'll trip." this moment changed my life, after all this was how "an album is supposed to sound." i listen to it from that moment till we arrived at the hotel in vegas. i felt brainwashed and since then i have been an addict.

ColdBlooded
05-22-2002, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by ParadineRecords
since then i have been an addict.

To The DE or the percocets and jd ?

Cacarot60
05-22-2002, 09:44 AM
LMAO!!!!!

ParadineRecords
05-22-2002, 11:58 AM
lol naw i had the percs for my wisdom teeth

2ndcoming
05-23-2002, 12:18 AM
Yeah, it took a little bit for me to feel TLBBB, because DTDE was just too far ingrained in my veins. Same thing when DTDE came out, I had too much PZ in me to feel it at first. It's just progress. Rare these days. With that said, all these cd's are the best cd's ever made, but TLBBB is the current best.:cheeky: PEACE OUT!

noWetaG
05-23-2002, 12:27 AM
sure PARADINE :devious: ...
we know the truth......


dam CAC......pretty good reading.....
i was gonna do a review 4 this on WCKILLAZ.net .....
but u did such a goodjob .......im gonna turn ures in
with ure name on it.......hope u dont mind........
im givin this a 9.5.....

Cacarot60
05-23-2002, 04:35 AM
:) tight

@Paridine .... suuuuuurrreee ... and the Jack was for your teeth too, right? lol

ParadineRecords
05-23-2002, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Cacarot60
:) tight

@Paridine .... suuuuuurrreee ... and the Jack was for your teeth too, right? lol

naw that was to get fuked up! i was goin to vegas 4 tha first time :confused:
and i made sure when we was at the club to ask the DE if he likes whiskey sours and if he likes them heavy lol

"..then im off in the seatown wit paradine and dem.....the issue is this: I AINT WELCOME IN YOUR WORLD"

Blutarski
05-23-2002, 12:29 PM
I've only had it a few days, but I'd have to say if I had to sum it up in only a few words it would be:

Cool, but fucking weird!

Late!

T-Spoon
05-23-2002, 04:42 PM
year cac, that's wuz a fuccin good fuccin post above homie. everythang u said wuz on point. i don't know why tha fucc d.e. don't blow tha fucc up. he's definitely on my all time fav's list. i'm listenin 2 bbb right neow. all i gotta say is DAMN! but year, good post cac. fold.

-TiM C-
05-23-2002, 07:28 PM
that rapper at the end of unforgiven is BeGee btw

Cacarot60
05-24-2002, 04:52 AM
Thanks T-spoon .. everyone that knows me knows I am a huge fan of the DE ... but I stil tell it like I see it. Planet Zero is pure classic, FU is one of the best comps ever, and DTDE was another step forward but still lacked. This album is the best yet. It will be hard to top.

Tim do you know what song that came from? thought it was him but wasn't sure. I never really listened to any of BeGee's stuff except for what is on FU and whatnot.

Thanks to everyone who read my review. I am going to put it in the review section as well ... I just wanted to put it here first.

Much Luv

Cac tha 6-0

Cranky
05-24-2002, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by T-Spoon
i don't know why tha fucc d.e. don't blow tha fucc up.


DE says it himself "DE you'll never go plat, you're too abstract". You have to have your mind "OPEN WIDE" to feel DE. Most people are just buyin' music to shake their ass too, or follow the trends. DE is a type of music where you actually have to appreciate music, and think about his words while you listen. Unfortunately, I don't think mainstream society is capable of listening to music, to appreciate musical talent. Feel me? It's really too bad because DE is amazing........

Blutarski
05-24-2002, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Cranky



DE says it himself "DE you'll never go plat, you're too abstract". You have to have your mind "OPEN WIDE" to feel DE. Most people are just buyin' music to shake their ass too, or follow the trends. DE is a type of music where you actually have to appreciate music, and think about his words while you listen. Unfortunately, I don't think mainstream society is capable of listening to music, to appreciate musical talent. Feel me? It's really too bad because DE is amazing........

Couldn't of said it better myself homie. All of DE's albums are filled with lots of musical talent, not only on the mic, but just the instruments he uses. In most rap songs you got someone flowing, a tight beat and some computer generated background effects. In DE's shit you get an abstract flow, a tight beat, some computer generated effects, but then lots of instruments to go along with it. He has a shit load of different ones he uses. I've heard piano, harp, flute, even and damn xylaphone (<--parden the spelling.) You can't really just throw in some DE and be like slump that shit. You have to listen to the beat, the words, and the acual music. Yeah DE is not every day rap, but he is one of my favorite artists because he is so unique and very original. A great combination of things that work well together, but something that not everyone feels.

Late!

Cacarot60
05-24-2002, 09:55 AM
Don't forget Tamberines (sp)!!!! Listen through TBBB and you will hear them. What other rapper has the balls to use tamberines?!?!?!?! LOL

He can use anything and everything and make a tight beat.

Much Luv

Cac

3VID3NC3
05-27-2002, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Cacarot60
Don't forget Tamberines (sp)!!!! Listen through TBBB and you will hear them. What other rapper has the balls to use tamberines?!?!?!?! LOL

He can use anything and everything and make a tight beat.

Much Luv

Cac

hahaha....check the page in the sig homie...
We use much more original sounds then tamberines in our music...fuck it...banjos, congos, clavs...whatever the fuck you wouldn't normally hear in rap...not taking anything away from DE...way too ceative..

Stevo
05-28-2002, 09:16 PM
BBB is classic. DE never dissapoints. Much luv DE for keeping hip hop creative and innovated............

Mr The DE
05-28-2002, 09:22 PM
Much love Cac and the rest of yall for the encouragin words.

This why I do the shlangz, though. ok
This why I do the shlangz, though.

Cacarot60
05-28-2002, 09:41 PM
I was wondering DE ... becuse I love Sade and especially Lovers Rock and I swear on Damn That DE I heard maybe a few samples from Sade ... and does Watching My Life contain a Sade sample as well? Or maye they are just really close in sound.

Much Luv

Cac tha 6-0

MrFreeze
05-29-2002, 05:44 PM
i still like planet zero better.

Cacarot60
05-30-2002, 07:23 AM
Ok that's definitely a sample from Immigrant ... I went and listened to it ... lol ... Sade is the bomb so I don't blame ya.

"Make my own beats, only sample when muuuust"

If you are going to sample, who better than Sade ... no wonder I loved that beat so much right from the start.

Much Luv

Cac tha 6-0

m p o
05-30-2002, 03:30 PM
m p o
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hmmmmm..
the d.e. has been listen'in to a little lovers rock ....

haven't you d.e.....

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thats what i was say'in cac...

i was loving it when i heard it!!

and d.e.

Thanks... this album is the shit!!

Cacarot60
06-01-2002, 08:35 PM
listen to her though??? If they don't they should. Vamps *cough* ... :( ... MPO did you know our friend Vamps says she has no talent????

Cac tha 6-0

"Now there's a frog in your throught like Miss Piggy giving head!!!" Ludacris ... cough

|GOD|||ZILLA|
06-01-2002, 09:43 PM
The D.E. is a wierdo :devious:

lmao@cac calling out *cough*

m p o
06-03-2002, 01:06 PM
he sampled two sade songs on this one.. that sly devil..

song two.. and fahrenhiet what they bang..

my mom hiped me to that fair lady called Sade... when i was a midget flossing izod and some velcro shoes...

i'm in the process of tryin to see her LIVE soon....
well hopefully.. if all goes to plan..

Nuttkase
06-05-2002, 03:05 AM
Manne i liked every single DE cd since southbound but IMO they keep gettin better and better. The beats,lyrics, and complexs on that cd are out of this fuckin galaxy!!! Manne ive been bumpin this cd alot since i got it. Its stayed in my cd changer for like a week straight now and shit i got like almost 1000 cd's and only a 10 disc changer so i do alot of changin around but thats been in there the whole time lol lol.
To the DE if ya read this keep up the good work homie!!!!
And to CROC that was a tight ass little writing there about the DE and what ya get from his music.

Im sidewayz

Nuttkace